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> <channel><title>Comments on: Where&#8217;s the Movement?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/</link> <description>Politics, Opinion and Culture, for Texas and Beyond</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:14:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Robert Mendez</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-23972</link> <dc:creator>Robert Mendez</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 23:40:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-23972</guid> <description>Professor Lakoff, I can only imagine what you are thinking, today, as the nation unpacks the &quot;argument is war&quot; theory you explained so succinctly a few years back.  Are the metaphors of the talk show circuit so etched in granite that we can never hope for a workable consensus, or do you see a way out?  What sort of toolkit is there for our youth to sort out the spinning, framing and double speak of the professional pundits who write the scripts? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor Lakoff, I can only imagine what you are thinking, today, as the nation unpacks the &quot;argument is war&quot; theory you explained so succinctly a few years back.  Are the metaphors of the talk show circuit so etched in granite that we can never hope for a workable consensus, or do you see a way out?  What sort of toolkit is there for our youth to sort out the spinning, framing and double speak of the professional pundits who write the scripts?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Important Reading &#187; Florida Progressive Coalition Blog -</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-2186</link> <dc:creator>Important Reading &#187; Florida Progressive Coalition Blog -</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:04:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-2186</guid> <description>[...] George Lakoff: Where&#8217;s the Movement? [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] George Lakoff: Where&#8217;s the Movement? [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scholars and Rogues &#187; Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse: Nota Bene #2010-05</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-2114</link> <dc:creator>Scholars and Rogues &#187; Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse: Nota Bene #2010-05</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-2114</guid> <description>[...] deal to get 60 votes convinced even Massachusetts voters that government under the Democrats was corrupt and oppressive, not just inept, but immoral&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;The US teen pregnancy rate rose in 2006 for the [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] deal to get 60 votes convinced even Massachusetts voters that government under the Democrats was corrupt and oppressive, not just inept, but immoral&#8221; &#8230; &#8220;The US teen pregnancy rate rose in 2006 for the [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim Gonyea</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-2021</link> <dc:creator>Jim Gonyea</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:19:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-2021</guid> <description>Progressives have absolutely blown the framing of the debates.  &quot;Don&#039;t Think of an Elephant&quot; and &quot;The Political Mind&quot; both have a relatively simple message.  It&#039;s message understood by Madison Avenue advertising firms and understood by the Republican Party.  Progressives like to consider themselves the intellectual side of politics, but for some reason they can&#039;t come to grips with the concept of framing the debate.  &quot;Public option&quot; is meaningless.  In itself, it doesn&#039;t say anything.  &quot;Healthcare Reform?&quot;  My medical insurance doesn&#039;t provide me healthcare, my doctor does.  You want to reform my doctor?  I&#039;m happy with my doctor.  Progressives need to understand that how they say things matters just as much as what they want to say.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Progressives have absolutely blown the framing of the debates.  &#8220;Don&#8217;t Think of an Elephant&#8221; and &#8220;The Political Mind&#8221; both have a relatively simple message.  It&#8217;s message understood by Madison Avenue advertising firms and understood by the Republican Party.  Progressives like to consider themselves the intellectual side of politics, but for some reason they can&#8217;t come to grips with the concept of framing the debate.  &#8220;Public option&#8221; is meaningless.  In itself, it doesn&#8217;t say anything.  &#8220;Healthcare Reform?&#8221;  My medical insurance doesn&#8217;t provide me healthcare, my doctor does.  You want to reform my doctor?  I&#8217;m happy with my doctor.  Progressives need to understand that how they say things matters just as much as what they want to say.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Odilia  Leal-McBride</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1973</link> <dc:creator>Odilia  Leal-McBride</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1973</guid> <description>I have some suggestions on how to deal with the consequences of the ill advised Supreme Court decision regarding the freedom of corporations and unions to finance unrestricted advertisement campaigns.  One is to demand that the corporation CEO or union leader be required to show his/her face and say: I am so and so, of such and such..., and I approve this message.  Another is to attach liabilities to untrue statements.  For example, the &quot;death panels&quot;, one of the biggest lies about the health reform should have been addressed in very strong terms and labeled as a lie.  Also, the idea that the health reform bill will add to the deficit, some experts say this is not true.  If some health care benefits would be taxed, what would be the taxing rate?  I would be willing to pay taxes on my benefits if other Americans could gain access to health care.  It is the &quot;Christian&quot; thing to do, to take care of our fellow citizens, it is also the patriotic thing to do.  I wish we had a mechanism to trace every lie or distortion and an inmediate response confronting the false statements.
We can also as citizens lobby for legislation in fact abolishing the Supreme Court decision.  After all, the pro-life people have spent years trying to abolish abortion laws.  It is our turn as progressives to legally and lawfully fight any legislation or Supreme Court decision we consider wrong.  We are the people.  We rule!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some suggestions on how to deal with the consequences of the ill advised Supreme Court decision regarding the freedom of corporations and unions to finance unrestricted advertisement campaigns.  One is to demand that the corporation CEO or union leader be required to show his/her face and say: I am so and so, of such and such&#8230;, and I approve this message.  Another is to attach liabilities to untrue statements.  For example, the &#8220;death panels&#8221;, one of the biggest lies about the health reform should have been addressed in very strong terms and labeled as a lie.  Also, the idea that the health reform bill will add to the deficit, some experts say this is not true.  If some health care benefits would be taxed, what would be the taxing rate?  I would be willing to pay taxes on my benefits if other Americans could gain access to health care.  It is the &#8220;Christian&#8221; thing to do, to take care of our fellow citizens, it is also the patriotic thing to do.  I wish we had a mechanism to trace every lie or distortion and an inmediate response confronting the false statements.<br
/> We can also as citizens lobby for legislation in fact abolishing the Supreme Court decision.  After all, the pro-life people have spent years trying to abolish abortion laws.  It is our turn as progressives to legally and lawfully fight any legislation or Supreme Court decision we consider wrong.  We are the people.  We rule!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gene Forte</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1971</link> <dc:creator>Gene Forte</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:24:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1971</guid> <description>We need to create a movement like the one that brought down apartheid in South Africa. Find out which companies are donating to election campaigns above a defined threshold, put them on a list, and boycott them.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to create a movement like the one that brought down apartheid in South Africa. Find out which companies are donating to election campaigns above a defined threshold, put them on a list, and boycott them.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: David Kaib</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1970</link> <dc:creator>David Kaib</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:14:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1970</guid> <description>This is a wonderful piece. I hope people understand how important it is for the rest of the country for this to succeed in CA, and that they notice the call to build similar movements around the country. There is so much discussion of what Obama should or should not do - how much better to engage the question of what we should do.I have one quibble - a small but important one.&lt;blockquote&gt;Conservatives exercise that control for the simple reason that they don’t believe that government should serve public needs, that instead government should be privatized and shrunk to fit in a bathtub, as if governing would disappear with government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s certainly true that without government, we are still governed through unaccountable corporations. It is also very true that conservatives &quot;don’t believe that government should serve public needs.&quot;  But, I don&#039;t agree that they really want &quot;government...shrunk to fit in a bathtub.&quot;  There was no reduction in the size of government during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush.When Reagan laughed at the idea that anyone was comforted by the statement &quot;I&#039;m from the government and I&#039;m here to help,&quot; he was encouraging regular Americans not to rely on government for help. The elite and corporations continued to depend on government, which is no doubt why it does not really shrink.The first part of this statement better captures this distinction - is government supposed to serve the public need, or is government supposed to serve private interests. We&#039;re not really arguing over the size of government - we&#039;re arguing over who it will serve.One other thing:&lt;blockquote&gt;Movements also transcend particular policies. The framing of moral principles comes first and the policies elaborate on the principles. The way to unite a movement is to form policies that carry out the principles in ways that everyone can understand.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This is very true, but movements also transcend particular people. So much of  the last few years have been spent arguing over who should be our standard bearer, and then arguing over whether we made the right choice, that we seem to have forgotten this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a wonderful piece. I hope people understand how important it is for the rest of the country for this to succeed in CA, and that they notice the call to build similar movements around the country. There is so much discussion of what Obama should or should not do &#8211; how much better to engage the question of what we should do.</p><p>I have one quibble &#8211; a small but important one.</p><blockquote><p>Conservatives exercise that control for the simple reason that they don’t believe that government should serve public needs, that instead government should be privatized and shrunk to fit in a bathtub, as if governing would disappear with government.</p></blockquote><p>It&#8217;s certainly true that without government, we are still governed through unaccountable corporations. It is also very true that conservatives &#8220;don’t believe that government should serve public needs.&#8221;  But, I don&#8217;t agree that they really want &#8220;government&#8230;shrunk to fit in a bathtub.&#8221;  There was no reduction in the size of government during the presidencies of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush.</p><p>When Reagan laughed at the idea that anyone was comforted by the statement &#8220;I&#8217;m from the government and I&#8217;m here to help,&#8221; he was encouraging regular Americans not to rely on government for help. The elite and corporations continued to depend on government, which is no doubt why it does not really shrink.</p><p>The first part of this statement better captures this distinction &#8211; is government supposed to serve the public need, or is government supposed to serve private interests. We&#8217;re not really arguing over the size of government &#8211; we&#8217;re arguing over who it will serve.</p><p>One other thing:</p><blockquote><p>Movements also transcend particular policies. The framing of moral principles comes first and the policies elaborate on the principles. The way to unite a movement is to form policies that carry out the principles in ways that everyone can understand.</p></blockquote><p>This is very true, but movements also transcend particular people. So much of  the last few years have been spent arguing over who should be our standard bearer, and then arguing over whether we made the right choice, that we seem to have forgotten this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1969</link> <dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1969</guid> <description>As usual, Joyce, your insights are right on the money (pardon the pun). One thing that&#039;s missing is movement leadership, as opposed to elected leadership. MoveOn, for instance, is doing more than ever, mobilizing, targeting, taking action. But it&#039;s profile is lower, and maybe people look at it more as a critical (very critical) function and less as a movement leader. It&#039;s very presence in 2000-2008 seemed to inspire people. It&#039;s inspiration that&#039;s missing, but maybe it&#039;s the case that general disappoint is making may folks uninspirable for the moment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual, Joyce, your insights are right on the money (pardon the pun). One thing that&#8217;s missing is movement leadership, as opposed to elected leadership. MoveOn, for instance, is doing more than ever, mobilizing, targeting, taking action. But it&#8217;s profile is lower, and maybe people look at it more as a critical (very critical) function and less as a movement leader. It&#8217;s very presence in 2000-2008 seemed to inspire people. It&#8217;s inspiration that&#8217;s missing, but maybe it&#8217;s the case that general disappoint is making may folks uninspirable for the moment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: J.P. Whitefield</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1968</link> <dc:creator>J.P. Whitefield</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:05:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1968</guid> <description>Can we please just admit defeat on the Health Care Bill?  It, in its&#039; current form, is not what people want and now is not the time to be wasting political capital on a dead issue.  Rather, let&#039;s stop talking Republican and Democrat and start talking humanity.  Brown&#039;s victory in Massachusetts was not about party (only 11% of his vote was Republican), it was about common sense.  We, as Democrats and like the Republicans, must realize that we have a &quot;party machine&quot; that is more interested in self perpetuation than in the public good. That must change or a third &quot;humanitarian party&quot; will start up and make the issue moot.  Obama&#039;s paragraph on democracy is non-partisan and should be used as a touchstone for any seeker of public office, laws proposed by our Congress and decisions made by our Presidents and our Supreme Court.  Greed is the overriding human trait that corrupts all of our ideals - let&#039;s figure out a way to control it in our government!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we please just admit defeat on the Health Care Bill?  It, in its&#8217; current form, is not what people want and now is not the time to be wasting political capital on a dead issue.  Rather, let&#8217;s stop talking Republican and Democrat and start talking humanity.  Brown&#8217;s victory in Massachusetts was not about party (only 11% of his vote was Republican), it was about common sense.  We, as Democrats and like the Republicans, must realize that we have a &#8220;party machine&#8221; that is more interested in self perpetuation than in the public good. That must change or a third &#8220;humanitarian party&#8221; will start up and make the issue moot.  Obama&#8217;s paragraph on democracy is non-partisan and should be used as a touchstone for any seeker of public office, laws proposed by our Congress and decisions made by our Presidents and our Supreme Court.  Greed is the overriding human trait that corrupts all of our ideals &#8211; let&#8217;s figure out a way to control it in our government!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joyce L. Arnold</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/25/wheres-the-movement/comment-page-1/#comment-1966</link> <dc:creator>Joyce L. Arnold</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:01:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=4119#comment-1966</guid> <description>First, thanks for this, George.A &quot;movement&quot; was how a good number of people, including blogging communities, described the Obama campaign. I don&#039;t know if it was ever actually that or not, but the potential was surely there. Certainly there were many people who were very ready, willing and able to keep on moving after the election. They expected to do that, and they saw Obama as the leader who brought them to a pivotal moment.But that isn&#039;t what happened. I fully agree that &quot;we&quot; have to be &quot;moving,&quot; &quot;we&quot; are responsible for such, and certainly agree that simply criticizing, advising and hoping isn&#039;t the answer. But one significant reason so many seemed to have come to a standstill, or even walked off, is because they didn&#039;t / aren&#039;t seeing movement from Obama or the Democratic Congressional majority. That big and growing disappointment is something a movement is going to have to deal with.&quot;The way to unite a movement is to form policies that carry out the principles in ways that everyone can understand.&quot; -- George
I think that&#039;s right. But the Democratic Electeds -- the ones who can actually &quot;do&quot; policy -- have managed to all but bring any movement forward to a very public grinding, &quot;bipartisan&quot; halt. The Republican minority keeps on moving with the same old message of &quot;government bad,&quot; and the Democrats make so much noise with their grinding-to-a-halt lack of movement that the Republicans get away with their obstructionist tactics.&quot;Virtually no progressive reform is going to be possible under corporatist rule.&quot; -- Glenn
Corporate nation, corporate parties, corporate government, corporate court. At this point, I think the movement that will seriously challenge all of this will be in spite of the current Democratic Party leadership and priorities.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for this, George.</p><p>A &#8220;movement&#8221; was how a good number of people, including blogging communities, described the Obama campaign. I don&#8217;t know if it was ever actually that or not, but the potential was surely there. Certainly there were many people who were very ready, willing and able to keep on moving after the election. They expected to do that, and they saw Obama as the leader who brought them to a pivotal moment.</p><p>But that isn&#8217;t what happened. I fully agree that &#8220;we&#8221; have to be &#8220;moving,&#8221; &#8220;we&#8221; are responsible for such, and certainly agree that simply criticizing, advising and hoping isn&#8217;t the answer. But one significant reason so many seemed to have come to a standstill, or even walked off, is because they didn&#8217;t / aren&#8217;t seeing movement from Obama or the Democratic Congressional majority. That big and growing disappointment is something a movement is going to have to deal with.</p><p>&#8220;The way to unite a movement is to form policies that carry out the principles in ways that everyone can understand.&#8221; &#8212; George<br
/> I think that&#8217;s right. But the Democratic Electeds &#8212; the ones who can actually &#8220;do&#8221; policy &#8212; have managed to all but bring any movement forward to a very public grinding, &#8220;bipartisan&#8221; halt. The Republican minority keeps on moving with the same old message of &#8220;government bad,&#8221; and the Democrats make so much noise with their grinding-to-a-halt lack of movement that the Republicans get away with their obstructionist tactics.</p><p>&#8220;Virtually no progressive reform is going to be possible under corporatist rule.&#8221; &#8212; Glenn<br
/> Corporate nation, corporate parties, corporate government, corporate court. At this point, I think the movement that will seriously challenge all of this will be in spite of the current Democratic Party leadership and priorities.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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