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> <channel><title>Comments on: As Cal. Prop. 8 Trial Nears, a Look at &#8220;Traditional&#8221; Marriage</title> <atom:link href="http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/</link> <description>Politics, Opinion and Culture, for Texas and Beyond</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 14:14:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <item><title>By: Lori Stee</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1660</link> <dc:creator>Lori Stee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:27:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=3858#comment-1660</guid> <description>My question then is this: Access to &quot;status quo marriage&quot;--a stepping stone or stumbling block on the path to a broader civil union/licensure arrangement (given the decoupling described by Mr. Smith)?  My idealism and cynicism are in a face-off here.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question then is this: Access to &#8220;status quo marriage&#8221;&#8211;a stepping stone or stumbling block on the path to a broader civil union/licensure arrangement (given the decoupling described by Mr. Smith)?  My idealism and cynicism are in a face-off here.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Glenn W. Smith</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1657</link> <dc:creator>Glenn W. Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:59:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=3858#comment-1657</guid> <description>The separation of religious and state interests is essential. I also agree about extending the benefits of unions or partnerships to friends and siblings. State control of relationships, under threat of economic and other legal penalties, needs abandoning. At the very least, it needs loosening.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The separation of religious and state interests is essential. I also agree about extending the benefits of unions or partnerships to friends and siblings. State control of relationships, under threat of economic and other legal penalties, needs abandoning. At the very least, it needs loosening.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rita Nakashima Brock</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1656</link> <dc:creator>Rita Nakashima Brock</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:25:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=3858#comment-1656</guid> <description>My personal position is that the state should have a category of domestic contract law called civil unions covering the responsibilities and benefits of marriage. Religions can do whatever they want, but these won&#039;t be civil unions with legal benefits unless a separate application is made via a license, which does not require a ceremony, just a witnessed signing. Clergy should not be licensed as agents of the state, but they can act as witnesses to signatures.This legal contract should be open to any two consenting adults without discrimination--and not necessarily who one has sex with (though I have been reminded that &quot;traditional&quot; marriage is often woefully lacking in sex). Why can&#039;t two best friends or siblings, who have lived together all their lives and take care of each, other adopt a child together or otherwise gain the benefits of civil union? It is good for society and our communities when adults commit to love and care for children and/or each other.Like other legal contracts, civil unions would have regulations about how they can be dissolved and what responsibilities each party has for the aftermath.I&#039;ve seen lifelong marriages that have lasted decades and are really satisfying, gay and straight, and I&#039;ve also seen plenty of miserable ones I&#039;d never want to be part of, also gay and straight. Human relationships are complicated, but we should all have equal rights to pursue happiness or be miserable. I&#039;m all for letting people do their best, and supporting them in that effort where possible.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal position is that the state should have a category of domestic contract law called civil unions covering the responsibilities and benefits of marriage. Religions can do whatever they want, but these won&#8217;t be civil unions with legal benefits unless a separate application is made via a license, which does not require a ceremony, just a witnessed signing. Clergy should not be licensed as agents of the state, but they can act as witnesses to signatures.</p><p>This legal contract should be open to any two consenting adults without discrimination&#8211;and not necessarily who one has sex with (though I have been reminded that &#8220;traditional&#8221; marriage is often woefully lacking in sex). Why can&#8217;t two best friends or siblings, who have lived together all their lives and take care of each, other adopt a child together or otherwise gain the benefits of civil union? It is good for society and our communities when adults commit to love and care for children and/or each other.</p><p>Like other legal contracts, civil unions would have regulations about how they can be dissolved and what responsibilities each party has for the aftermath.</p><p>I&#8217;ve seen lifelong marriages that have lasted decades and are really satisfying, gay and straight, and I&#8217;ve also seen plenty of miserable ones I&#8217;d never want to be part of, also gay and straight. Human relationships are complicated, but we should all have equal rights to pursue happiness or be miserable. I&#8217;m all for letting people do their best, and supporting them in that effort where possible.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lori Stee</title><link>http://www.dogcanyon.org/2010/01/10/as-cal-prop-8-trial-nears-a-look-at-traditional-marriage/comment-page-1/#comment-1653</link> <dc:creator>Lori Stee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:43:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.dogcanyon.org/?p=3858#comment-1653</guid> <description>JComing from a fairly radical queer perspective, I have never understood the desire of GLBT folk to buy into the modern institution of marriage beyond the basic civil and economic advantages afforded by parity.What you suggest, it seems, is that we create a truly ethical paradigm for marriage, one that would supplant the chattel-based model we have dragged into the 21st Century, which itself evolved from the marriage between our two most violent institutions--slavery and capitalism.Six states have authorized some version of equal access to marriage in its present form.  I wonder if any of these would have subscribed to the retooling of the institution suggested in your eloquent, well-reasoned and radically ethical (dare I say loving?) argument.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JComing from a fairly radical queer perspective, I have never understood the desire of GLBT folk to buy into the modern institution of marriage beyond the basic civil and economic advantages afforded by parity.</p><p>What you suggest, it seems, is that we create a truly ethical paradigm for marriage, one that would supplant the chattel-based model we have dragged into the 21st Century, which itself evolved from the marriage between our two most violent institutions&#8211;slavery and capitalism.</p><p>Six states have authorized some version of equal access to marriage in its present form.  I wonder if any of these would have subscribed to the retooling of the institution suggested in your eloquent, well-reasoned and radically ethical (dare I say loving?) argument.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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